If imaging scanning is a must, the scanner must be clean! Due to the dirty scanner and their chosen workflow - involving rubber stamps and felt-pens - the OCR results are quite poor. Giuliani just. G1uliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and. This is why the letters, close up, don't look like letters in raw scans, but have unnaturally "smooth" edges. Perhaps the government could consider creating such records directly from voice-recognition software, embedding the audio file and digitally signing the resulting PDF as an authoritative, archival record of the call.
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It has no metadata, no outlines, no annotations, no tags, no attached audio recording of the call. It's not digitally-signed to protect against tampering. It can't deliver a good experience on a mobile phone. The latter pose some serious questions but at least, based upon what is currently known of the facts appear to be unavailing. Our aim in writing this report is to bring the facts, the law, and the possible defenses together to provide a comprehensive and accessible overview of the investigation and the possible crimes on which it is predicated.
It is impossible to know whether, or if so when, criminal charges may eventually be brought in Georgia against the former president. We make no prediction in that regard, only a current assessment of the risk. Trump is innocent until proven guilty, and if charged, will have the opportunity to present the defenses like those we describe below. If past behavior is indicative of his response to future allegations, Trump will undoubtedly vigorously defend himself. A very substantial number came in, all for Biden.
Does anybody know about it? Mitchell: I know about it, but —. I'm asking Brad. Do you know about the military ballots that we have confirmed now. Do you know about the military ballots that came in that were percent, I mean percent for Biden. Germany: I don't know about that, I do know that we have when military ballots come in, it's not just military, it's also military and overseas citizens.
The military part of that does generally go Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally goes very Democrat.
This was a mix of 'em. Trump: No, but this was. That's OK. But I got like 78 percent in the military. These ballots were all for They didn't tell me overseas. Could be overseas too, but I get votes overseas too, Ryan, you know in all fairness.
No they came in, a large batch came in and it was, quote, percent for Biden. And that is criminal. You know, that's criminal. That's another criminal, that's another of the many criminal events, many criminal events here.
Oh, I don't know, look Brad. I got to get I have to find 12, votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That's before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no criminality.
But I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it's very dangerous for you to say that. I just, I just don't know why you don't want to have the votes counted as they are.
Like even you when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because, you know And we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way that check was done, all you're doing is you know, recertifying existing votes and, you know, and you were given votes and you just counted them up and you still found 3, that were bad.
So that was sort of surprising that it came down to three or five I don't know. But you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, you'll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it.
So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11, votes. Fellas, I need 11, votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already.
Or we can keep it going but that's not fair to the voters of Georgia because they're going to see what happened and they're going to see what happened. I mean, I'll, I'll take on to anybody you want with regard to [name] and her lovely daughter, a very lovely young lady, I'm sure.
But, but [name] I will take on anybody you want. And the minimum, there were 18, ballots but they used them three times. So that's, you know, a lot of votes. And they were all to Biden, by the way, that's the other thing we didn't say.
You know, [name] , the one thing I forgot to say which was the most important. You know that every single ballot she did went to Biden. You know that, right? Do you know that, by the way, Brad? Every single ballot that she did through the machines at early, early in the morning, went to Biden. Did you know that, Ryan? Germany: That's not accurate, Mr. Trump: Huh. What is accurate? Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.
Trump: No, about [name]. About early in the morning, Ryan. When the woman took, you know, when the whole gang took the stuff from under the table, right? Do you know, do you know who those ballots, who they were made out to, do you know who they were voting for? Germany: No, not specifically.
Trump: Did you ever check? Germany: We did what I described to you earlier —. Trump: No no no — did you ever check the ballots that were scanned by [name] , a known political operative and balloteer. Did ever check who those votes were for? Germany: We looked into that situation that you described. Trump: No, they were percent for Biden. There wasn't a Trump vote in the whole group. Why don't you want to find this, Ryan?
What's wrong with you? I heard your lawyer is very difficult, actually, but I'm sure you're a good lawyer. You have a nice last name. But, but I'm just curious why wouldn't, why do you keep fighting this thing? It just doesn't make sense.
We're way over the 17,, right? We're way over that number and just if you took just [name] , we're over that number by five, five or six times when you multiply that times three. And every single ballot went to Biden, and you didn't know that, but, now you know it.
So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it's not fair to take it away from us like this. And it's going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you're going to reexamine it and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people that don't want to find answers.
For instance, I'm hearing Ryan that he's probably, I'm sure a great lawyer and everything. But he's making statements about those ballots that he doesn't know. But he's making them with such — he did make them with surety. But now I think he's less sure because the answer is they all went to Biden and that alone wins us the election by a lot. You know, so. President, you have people that submit information and we have our people that submit information. And then it comes before the court and the court then has to make a determination.
We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right. Trump: Why do you say that? I don't know. I mean, sure, we can play this game with the courts, but why do you say that?
First of all they don't even assign us a judge. They don't even assign us a judge. But why wouldn't you — Hey Brad, why wouldn't you want to check out [name]? And why wouldn't you want to say, hey, if in fact, President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia, just that one incident alone without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots. You just say, you stick by, I mean I've been watching you, you know, you don't care about anything. They're really wrong and they're really wrong, Brad.
And I know this phone call is going nowhere other than, other than ultimately, you know — Look ultimately, I win, okay? Mitchell: Mr. Trump: Because you guys are so wrong. And you treated this. You treated the population of Georgia so badly. You, between you and your governor, who was down at 21, he was down 21 points. And like a schmuck, I endorsed him and he got elected, but I will tell you, he is a disaster.
And he knows, I can't imagine that people are so angry in Georgia, I can't imagine he's ever getting elected again I'll tell you that much right now.
But why wouldn't you want to find the right answer, Brad, instead of keep saying that the numbers are right? Cause those numbers are so wrong? Secretary, Mr. President, one of the things that we have been, Alex can talk about this, we talked about it, and I don't know whether the information has been conveyed to your office, but I think what the president is saying, and what we've been trying to do is to say, look, the court is not acting on our petition.
They haven't even assigned a judge. But the people of Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the answers. And you have data and records that we don't have access to. And you keep telling us and making public statements that you investigated this and nothing to see here. But we don't know about that. All we know is what you tell us.
What I don't understand is why wouldn't it be in everyone's best interest to try to get to the bottom, compare the numbers, you know, if you say, because - to try to be able to get to the truth because we don't have any way of confirming what you're telling us. You tell us that you had an investigation at the State Farm Arena. I don't have any report.
I've never seen a report of investigation. I don't know that is. I've been pretty involved in this and I don't know. And that's just one of like , 25 categories. And it doesn't even, and as I, as the president said, we haven't even gotten into the Dominion issue. That's not part of our case. It's not part of our, we just didn't feel as though we had any way to be able to develop —.
Trump: No, we do have a way but I don't want to get into it. We found a way in other states excuse me, but we don't need it because we're only down 11, votes so we don't even need it. I personally think they're corrupt as hell. But we don't need that. Because all we have to do Cleta is find 11,plus votes. So we don't need that. I'm not looking to shake up the whole world. We won Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But if you go by basic simple numbers, we won it easily, easily.
So we're not giving Dominion a pass on the record. We just, we don't need Dominion, because we have so many other votes that we don't need to prove it any more than we already have. Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert, if I might interject for a moment.
Um Ryan, I would like to suggest just four categories that have already been mentioned by the president that have actually hard numbers of 24, votes that were counted illegally.
That in and of itself is sufficient to change the results or place the outcome in doubt. We would like to sit down with your office and we can do it through purposes of compromise and just like this phone call, just to deal with that limited category of votes.
And if you are able to establish that our numbers are not accurate, then fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. We've had now three to four separate experts looking at these numbers.
Trump: Certified accountants looked at them. Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on USPS data and your own secretary of state's data.
So that's what we would entreat and ask you to do, to sit down with us in a compromise and settlements proceeding and actually go through the registered voter IDs and registrations. And if you can convince us that that 24, is inaccurate, then fine.
But we tend to believe that is, you know, obviously more than 11, That's sufficient to change the results entirely in of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany: Kurt, um I'm happy to get with our lawyers and we'll set that up. That number is not accurate. And I think we can show you, for all the ones we've looked at, why it's not.
And so if that would be helpful, I'm happy to get with our lawyers and set that up with you guys. Trump: Well, let me ask you, Kurt, you think that is an accurate number. That was based on the information given to you by the secretary of state's department, right? Hilbert: That is correct. That information is the minimum most conservative data based upon the USPS data and the secretary of state's office data that has been made publicly available.
We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state. Yet, we have asked for it six times. I sent a letter over to Mr So it stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there's something to hide. That's the problem that we have. Germany: Well, that's not the case sir.
There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And there's things that under the law, we are not allowed to give out. Trump: Well, you have to. Well, under the law you're not allowed to give faulty election results, OK? You're not allowed to do that. And that's what you done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up and because of what you've done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam.
And because of what you've done to the president, a lot of people aren't going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president.
They hate it. And they're going to vote. And you would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election.
You have a big election coming up on Tuesday. And therefore I think that it is really important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. Because I know Brad that if you think we're right, I think you're going to say, and I'm not looking to blame anybody. I'm just saying you know, and, you know, under new counts, and under uh, new views, of the election results, we won the election.
You know? It's very simple. We won the election. As the governors of major states and the surrounding states said, there is no way you lost Georgia, as the Georgia politicians say, there is no way, you lost Georgia. Everyone knows I won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But I'll tell you it's going to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys don't get this thing straightened out fast.
Meadows: Mr. This is Mark. It sounds like we've got two different sides agreeing that we can look at these areas ands I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state's data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made.
Is that correct? Germany: No, that's not what I said. I'm happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to my him, here's, based on what we've looked at so far, here's how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong. Meadows: So what you're saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?
Germany: I don't think we can give access to data that's protected by law. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine.
President Zelensky : Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer.
I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us.
I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr.
President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.
That I can assure you. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved.
Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.
If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news, so I just want to let you know that. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it.
It sounds horrible to me. President Zelensky : I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case.
On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it.
I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. President Zelensky : I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few Ukrainian friends that live in the United States. I will talk to them and I hope to see them again in the future.
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